Eric Metaxas interviewed guest Ken Fish on his radio show Eric Metaxas recently from the Empire State Building on the subject of whether miracles still occur in the modern world. During the interview the author of Bonhoeffer discussed with his guest several issues including whether or not miracles were something which just occurred during Biblical times or if they actually do still happen today. Metaxas said that when he came to faith in 1988, he was introduced to the world of spiritual mystical experiences such as angels, demons and miracles.
Before getting into the interview he plugged the movie “Risen” starring Joseph Fiennes (Shakespeare In Love) who plays a centurion Clavius charged with finding the body of Jesus Christ which has gone missing following his crucifixion. Metaxas praised the movie and said it opens February 19, 2016. He described the film as more than mere entertainment which tells the story of Jesus through the eyes of a nonbeliever. He said”they just don’t make movies like this.” Metaxas pledged to continue supporting the movie because it is such an exceptional project. The movie has been described as an investigative movie by some based on the fact Clavius is instructed to find the body of Jesus. Metaxas said, “Good luck with that!” As a Christian Metaxas believes Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to Heaven.
Metaxas further said he’s seen an earlier version of the film and it is “amazing.” He also said it’s not just a religious movie, it’s a great one.
Metaxas then said a few years after he became a Christian he encountered many people who were hostile to the idea of demonic forces, devil and angels. He conceded that “we all know people who are half-nuts and take this too far.” But he said he met many brilliant, sane people well-grounded in the Bible who took this seriously. He further said that when we got the Bible 98 A.D. cessationists said we were through with this mystical world of angels, demons and miracles.
He went on to say he can’t dismiss miracles because he knows people who have experienced them. He said people in the mission field have amazing stories of devils and angels. He further said he attended a spiritual warfare conference in New York City in which he was re-introduced to the subject by Fish.
“How come we’re not doing that stuff they did in Acts like casting out demons?” Metaxas asked.
Fish said his mentor was John Wimber, who started out as a musical arranger for the Righteous Brothers. Wimber was a person who had spiritual gifts, according to Fish. A woman asked Wimber to pray for her. She had stomach cancer. She put her hands on her stomach and he put his hands on hers. Fish recalled she began vibrating. She said she was feeling a lot of heat on her stomach but more on her head. She crumpled to ground. The event occurred in the 1980s before cell phones. The woman wrote Wimber a letter that her doctor told her she was healed of her stomach cancer.
Metaxas said the options are limited. “Either she’s lying, you’re lying, or the doctors mis-diagnosed.” He said, “I’m telling you to keep an open mind. This is important stuff even if you don’t agree with us.”
Fish said in the Book of Acts the apostles were focusing on signs and wonders and performing miracles. He started highlighting all the passages which had to do with signs and wonders and miracles. He was amazed at how many passages there are in the Bible pertaining to the spiritual world.
Fish studied engineering at Princeton University before he felt inspired to go to seminary. He recounted having a strong experience with God the summer before attending Princeton. He was active in campus ministries. Fish said his father died when he was young and his mother was a Christian though not that devout. His grandparents were devout Christians who influenced him during his summer visits.
Fish recalled a funny incident as a child when his mother took him to Las Vegas and pointed to a slot machine. She put a nickel in the machine and won a thousand nickels. They were escorted from casino. He said he was scared of the power he had and prayed for God to take it away from him, which he did for several years. Metaxas interceded, “So you realized you weren’t supposed to use your skill for profit..”
Metaxas show opened with his trademark humor in which he was introduced as the “permanent guest host” who was ” broadcasting from the heart of New York City if it has a heart and it does.” The introduction also said, “Our humble objective is to save the world one person at a time or more than that if you have a friend.”
Metaxas is the bestselling author of Bonhoeffer, a biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the martyred German theologian who was executed by Hitler in the closing days of World War II. Bonhoeffer was hanged because he refused to abandon his Christian ministry in the face of Hitler’s war machine.
Metaxas said he will continue his interview with Fish during several more productions of his show which is based in the Big Apple. The Yale graduate cautioned his listeners to not dismiss out of hand the activities that occur in the spiritual world as he continues his interview with Fish on upcoming shows.